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Sharkey wrote:??? I don't know a thing about CAT engines, but that doesn't look anything like an injection pump to me. What it looks like is a "lifter" or "pusher" pump, designed to move fuel from the tank to the actual injector pump. Does it only have two lines connected to it? One to the tank and another to the injection pump, perhaps with some filters in between somewhere?

The actual injection pump will be more complex, with a linkage connection to the accelerator pedal up in your driver's position. A lifter pump may not be all that expensive to replace.

Option #4, take the lines off this pump (if indeed, it is a lifter pump) and instead get a cheap electric fuel pump from the auto parts store. Put the electric pump in the line in place of that mechanical pump and call it all good for your trip. (of course, you'll have to wire the electric pump up to your ignition switch...)
Rudy,
I know my Guru status is pretty low. I thought 1160 was actually meant 12:00am :D But what Sharkey is saying is the same thing I was telling you on the phone.
I think this is a lift pump. It pumps fuel from the tank, through a filter then into the injector pump.
I would be VERY surprised if it required any "timing" or any other voodoo to replace it.

Chuck

I think this is the injector pump...use voodoo if you have to work on this one.

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There are only two lines connected to this pump. One comes from the filter and the other goes I don't know where yet.

I am going to disconnect it today.

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Chuckles sent me a Craigslist ad that contained these pictures of an injector pump from a CAT 1160 motor.

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Now I know what that thing is on my motor. In these pics, it is the little pump (silver color) that is the one that is leaking. I'm glad that I don't have to mess with the big yellow injector pump.

Only two fuel lines and two mounting bolts to remove. They are, however, very tough to disconnect.
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Sharkey,

A friend of mine has a 5.9 Cummins in his Dodge. One day at his job site, a diesel performance tuner came there to make an adjustment on another truck that he had done extensive work to.

Anyway he advised my friend to add a little (I can't remember the amount) 2 stroke premix oil to his fuel when he fills up from empty. Is that do to the "Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel"

Is that a good idea? or just job security for a "performance tuner"?
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This doesn't help or fix Rudy's problem, but is similar, on my 04 Dodge with the 5.9 Cummings diesel it came from the factory with a lifter type fuel pump on the back of the fuel filter canister, it was a 12 volt pump, after the 3rd one went out the first 2 were covered under a extended warranty that I purchased for I think it was around $1400. when I bought the truck new, they started replacing the pump with a in tank fuel pump and sold me a new tank pump, a sending unit for the gauge and a assortment of plug in type relays it was in the neighborhood of $400 and came with a block type hose to bolt into the back of the fuel filter cannister, I had just rolled over 104 k miles so I was completely out of warranty, the kit had everything to do the change over with and was available through the dealer. I really felt since they were retrofitting the ones that came back still under warranty mine should have been covered but since it waited till it was 4k out I got hung with the kit and installed it myself. maybe this will help someone if they are running a Dodge and having the same problems. James in da GRAYDAWG
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Rudy wrote:Chuckles sent me a Craigslist ad that contained these pictures of an injector pump from a CAT 1160 motor.

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Now I know what that thing is on my motor. In these pics, it is the little pump (silver color) that is the one that is leaking. I'm glad that I don't have to mess with the big yellow injector pump.

Only two fuel lines and two mounting bolts to remove. They are, however, very tough to disconnect.
I felt the same way finding out about my pumps. Yours looks like a straight 8...mine is shaped like a big V-8 (wow...you coulda had a V-8!)
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Bob, I sure wish you were here. I could play accordion while you did the mechanical work. :)
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[quote="Jones'n4chrome"]Sharkey,

A friend of mine has a 5.9 Cummins in his Dodge. One day at his job site, a diesel performance tuner came there to make an adjustment on another truck that he had done extensive work to.

Anyway he advised my friend to add a little (I can't remember the amount) 2 stroke premix oil to his fuel when he fills up from empty. Is that do to the "Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel"

Is that a good idea? or just job security for a "performance tuner"?[/quo

i also add 2cycle to my diesel
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Rudy

You _don't_ need to remove the lift pump to bypass it with an electric - just get the fuel connections off so you can hook up to _them_. In fact you don't _want_ to remove the pump if you don't have to because the hole where it was will let dirt into your engine - or worse, into the IP. If it's a mechanically driven pump (not electric) the hole beneath the pump mount allows a belt, chain, gear or a cam/lever (most likely) to reach into the pump and drive it. If you decide to add an electric pump just leave the existing mechanical pump in place and get around to rebuilding it some day if you feel the need to make everything perfect.

If you do remove it be sure to cover that hole while you're out looking for parts. If you don't want to put it back you have to get a good solid piece of metal that fits over the hole with a couple bolt holes to match up with what's there and a gasket to seal that hole tightly and completely. The original bolts probably won't work (too long) w/out a stack of washers because the metal cover won't be as thick as the flanges on the pump.

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That pump looks kinda like the fuel pump on a '61 Chevy we had one time. Was rebuildable by replacing the diaphragm. Pretty easy once I had done it once. First time was slightly nerve wracking, since we depended on the car for going to work the next day (I was 16 and just as dumb as every other 16 year old. I thought I could do that work. Turned out I could, but it was more luck than anything.)

Splummer,
Not a good idea for the Dodge. Even the older Bosch VP44 does not play well with oil in the fuel. It counts on fuel "circulating" in the pump for lube. And that means RPM above about 1100. Don't idle it for long times!!

I subscribe to this;
www.turbodieselregister.com

for my Dodge. (1999 diesel). Lots of good information. I have learned a ton in the last year from these people. Disclaimer; the publisher has an association with Geno's Garage, so there is a money connection. Doesn't seem to affect the exchange of info.

Sorry about the diversion Rudy!
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Good news! Chuckles found me a pump. It's on it's way.

Cool pics of the top of my engine coming soon.
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Hooray! The new fuel pump is here. It came in a yellow cardboard box that is an original CAT box.

I will install it today. I will take pics of the cool 38 year old box.
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